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	<title>Comments on: Andy Jenkins Speaks Out On Why Andy Jenkins Filed A Civil Suit Against Brad Fallon &#8211; Mike Swanson (08/26/09)</title>
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		<title>By: Patty wrestle</title>
		<link>http://marketingmoneyonline.com/?p=59&#038;cpage=1#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty wrestle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you seize the substance of the message, truly good writting manner, I enojoyed it!</description>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://marketingmoneyonline.com/?p=59&#038;cpage=1#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what Jenkins writes. He&#039;s full of it 99% of the time anyway. What about the Stompernet 2.0 launch, that was even worse than the one everyone is complaining about. Getting a refund from them for the monthly &quot;magazine&quot; was harder an more painful than extracting teeth. Had to threaten to report them for wire fraud as the product never arrived. After that I finally got my money back. If you ask me most of these dudes are scammers. IM is not some mystery - pick a market with demand and buyers, use basic SEO on it, basic PPC and then refine as you start earning something and re-invest 80% of profits in ramping the marketing, PPC and SEO up. Outsource the grunt work from the profits you make as well. It&#039;s not rocket science, and the quality and quantity of traffic is WAY more important than a great sales letter or other stuff they try to sell you. Concentrate on traffic, then testing. Without buying traffic everything is of no use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what Jenkins writes. He&#8217;s full of it 99% of the time anyway. What about the Stompernet 2.0 launch, that was even worse than the one everyone is complaining about. Getting a refund from them for the monthly &#8220;magazine&#8221; was harder an more painful than extracting teeth. Had to threaten to report them for wire fraud as the product never arrived. After that I finally got my money back. If you ask me most of these dudes are scammers. IM is not some mystery &#8211; pick a market with demand and buyers, use basic SEO on it, basic PPC and then refine as you start earning something and re-invest 80% of profits in ramping the marketing, PPC and SEO up. Outsource the grunt work from the profits you make as well. It&#8217;s not rocket science, and the quality and quantity of traffic is WAY more important than a great sales letter or other stuff they try to sell you. Concentrate on traffic, then testing. Without buying traffic everything is of no use.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
		<link>http://marketingmoneyonline.com/?p=59&#038;cpage=1#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Filsaime appears on the Arbitrage Conspiracy web site. He apparently will sell anything to get his commissions. I made the mistake of buying something from him and started getting a monthly magazine that cost $46 each month (charged to my credit card). I tried to cancel but his customer service phone message sent me to a web site where I entered my email address. Never heard back. I did it several times. 

Now I have to call my credit card company every month to dispute the charge. I suppose he hopes everyone who has been sucked in will just give up and pay him $46 forever. It&#039;s this kind of ripoff that will eventually drive Internal Marketing into the ground. 

Thanks Mike for pointing out some of the bad behavior going on. If the good guys don&#039;t differentiate themselves from the scammers, they all will lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Filsaime appears on the Arbitrage Conspiracy web site. He apparently will sell anything to get his commissions. I made the mistake of buying something from him and started getting a monthly magazine that cost $46 each month (charged to my credit card). I tried to cancel but his customer service phone message sent me to a web site where I entered my email address. Never heard back. I did it several times. </p>
<p>Now I have to call my credit card company every month to dispute the charge. I suppose he hopes everyone who has been sucked in will just give up and pay him $46 forever. It&#8217;s this kind of ripoff that will eventually drive Internal Marketing into the ground. </p>
<p>Thanks Mike for pointing out some of the bad behavior going on. If the good guys don&#8217;t differentiate themselves from the scammers, they all will lose.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the new &quot;modified&quot; Jenkins &quot;explanation&quot; one bit. I think the lawsuit spoke the real truth, and now it&#039;s all damage control. Thies is probably just trying to protect his paycheck. And I don&#039;t understand why anyone bothers to go that time wasting warrior forum anyway. Who wants to be bullied and have people try to sell them useless regurgitated crap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the new &#8220;modified&#8221; Jenkins &#8220;explanation&#8221; one bit. I think the lawsuit spoke the real truth, and now it&#8217;s all damage control. Thies is probably just trying to protect his paycheck. And I don&#8217;t understand why anyone bothers to go that time wasting warrior forum anyway. Who wants to be bullied and have people try to sell them useless regurgitated crap?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post Mike, and thanks for taking the time to read mine.

All the best,

AJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post Mike, and thanks for taking the time to read mine.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>AJ</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bossert</title>
		<link>http://marketingmoneyonline.com/?p=59&#038;cpage=1#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bossert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I give you credit for posting what Andy said here - for me Andy&#039;s remarkably honest post clears it up. I wish him, Brad and Stomper all the best and trust they will continue to provide good value to their customers.

It&#039;s not a secret that the IM niche has a number of bad apples, who have put out crap products, with little to no service that sold way better than they were prepared for, and then they stalled on giving refunds. As well as a few deservedly convicted crooks.

And while there might be debate about whether the former were just unprepared and then reacted badly to customer complaints, it is equally valid to argue that all of them were responsible for all their actions. Be careful out there!

I think sometimes that people (and I include myself in this) get used to the idea that we are anonymous online - able to act irrationally or like 5 year olds or like cowards and get away with it - you know, say and do things that we would not do standing in the same room with others, or even in a bar after a few drinks. 

All a man has finally, is his integrity. For me, Andy Jenkins spoke volumes about his. Next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I give you credit for posting what Andy said here &#8211; for me Andy&#8217;s remarkably honest post clears it up. I wish him, Brad and Stomper all the best and trust they will continue to provide good value to their customers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a secret that the IM niche has a number of bad apples, who have put out crap products, with little to no service that sold way better than they were prepared for, and then they stalled on giving refunds. As well as a few deservedly convicted crooks.</p>
<p>And while there might be debate about whether the former were just unprepared and then reacted badly to customer complaints, it is equally valid to argue that all of them were responsible for all their actions. Be careful out there!</p>
<p>I think sometimes that people (and I include myself in this) get used to the idea that we are anonymous online &#8211; able to act irrationally or like 5 year olds or like cowards and get away with it &#8211; you know, say and do things that we would not do standing in the same room with others, or even in a bar after a few drinks. </p>
<p>All a man has finally, is his integrity. For me, Andy Jenkins spoke volumes about his. Next.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

The thing that hits home here is the simple fact that the JV Partners of Arbitrage Conspiracy, whom all gave GLOWING testimonials and endorsements ... all had a financial interest in the success of the launch.

When the hype was going on about that product, I personally felt it was just that ... hype!

Anyway, all these internet &#039;guru&#039;s&#039; have in my opinion severely tarnished their reputations and I for one, will never buy from them again.

As for the Andy &amp; Brad dispute ... don&#039;t you feel that is inevitable when you are earning 8 figures as you quote?  Sure beats selling shiny swords, doesn&#039;t it?

Best Wishes!

Barry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>The thing that hits home here is the simple fact that the JV Partners of Arbitrage Conspiracy, whom all gave GLOWING testimonials and endorsements &#8230; all had a financial interest in the success of the launch.</p>
<p>When the hype was going on about that product, I personally felt it was just that &#8230; hype!</p>
<p>Anyway, all these internet &#8216;guru&#8217;s&#8217; have in my opinion severely tarnished their reputations and I for one, will never buy from them again.</p>
<p>As for the Andy &amp; Brad dispute &#8230; don&#8217;t you feel that is inevitable when you are earning 8 figures as you quote?  Sure beats selling shiny swords, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Best Wishes!</p>
<p>Barry</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some guy on another board said a lot of people probably joined just to get into that conversation.  I don&#039;t think there is anything unusual in that.  Most people on message boards read, lurk, and never join and post.  I have a private forum on my stock market website and only 10% of the people that read it post.  So I think people just joined in.  I doubt that there were fake accounts created and there is no evidence of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some guy on another board said a lot of people probably joined just to get into that conversation.  I don&#8217;t think there is anything unusual in that.  Most people on message boards read, lurk, and never join and post.  I have a private forum on my stock market website and only 10% of the people that read it post.  So I think people just joined in.  I doubt that there were fake accounts created and there is no evidence of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Thies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Thies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I don&#039;t know if Andy was talking about you in particular, but if he wasn&#039;t he should have been. :D

I am not sure what&#039;s behind some of the forum moderation decisions you&#039;ve mentioned, but there is probably something else besides trying to keep a secret. Markus Allen hijacked a discussion thread to make a personal attack - while posting anonymously.

After that, &quot;new&quot; people decided to start joining the Warrior Forum - all anonymous, all trying to get around the forum rules (new members can&#039;t post links) - and all very likely the same person. If it were my forum, I&#039;d have done the same thing.

Not trying to say that the WF is perfect or that the moderation policies there even make much sense, because most of the time I can&#039;t figure out WTF the WF policies are, by looking at what they actually do.

If the WF is the headquarters of the community - you are right - there&#039;s room for something a little less &quot;wild wild west,&quot; and unbiased. In the WF and &#039;most everywhere else, you never know if the news, recommendations, and complaints are from an unbiased source, or from someone with an axe to grind or a few extra pennies in commissions to squeeze out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I don&#8217;t know if Andy was talking about you in particular, but if he wasn&#8217;t he should have been. <img src='http://marketingmoneyonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not sure what&#8217;s behind some of the forum moderation decisions you&#8217;ve mentioned, but there is probably something else besides trying to keep a secret. Markus Allen hijacked a discussion thread to make a personal attack &#8211; while posting anonymously.</p>
<p>After that, &#8220;new&#8221; people decided to start joining the Warrior Forum &#8211; all anonymous, all trying to get around the forum rules (new members can&#8217;t post links) &#8211; and all very likely the same person. If it were my forum, I&#8217;d have done the same thing.</p>
<p>Not trying to say that the WF is perfect or that the moderation policies there even make much sense, because most of the time I can&#8217;t figure out WTF the WF policies are, by looking at what they actually do.</p>
<p>If the WF is the headquarters of the community &#8211; you are right &#8211; there&#8217;s room for something a little less &#8220;wild wild west,&#8221; and unbiased. In the WF and &#8216;most everywhere else, you never know if the news, recommendations, and complaints are from an unbiased source, or from someone with an axe to grind or a few extra pennies in commissions to squeeze out.</p>
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